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Christine O’Donnell Did It Again! October 21, 2010

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By vorjak (@ unreasonablefaith.com)

Remember how I said that I liked the way that Christine O’Donnell would say things that were common in conservative christian circles, but uncommon in the rest of America? Well, she got in a good one during a debate with her opponent Chris Coons: “Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?”

This line is a staple in certain circles, and I’ve heard it any number of times on political call-in shows. But O’Donnell was foolish enough to bring it out at a law school. From The Caucus blog at the NYT:

The audience at the law school can be heard breaking out in laughter. But Ms. O’Donnell refuses to be dissuaded and pushes forward.

“Let me just clarify,” she says. “You are telling me that the separation of church and state is in the First Amendment?”

When Mr. Coons offers a shorthand of the relevant section, saying, “government shall make no establishment of religion,” Ms. O’Donnell replies, “That’s in the First Amendment?”

The worst part is that she comes across as completely clueless. That line, “Where in the Constitution &tc,” is supposed to just be the lead-in to a long diatribe about how “Separation of Church and State” is just a liberal anti-christian hoax. But when Coons repeats the First Amendment to her, she doesn’t seem to know how to proceed to the next stage.

Via Slacktivist, here’s the video. The laughter is at 2:50, then a reprise at 7:05. The post at The Caucus linked above has a condensed audio clip.

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Founding Fathers bitch slap Glenn Beck January 27, 2009

Posted by rationalskeptic in Constitution, Theism and Atheism.
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A word from our founding fathers:

Excerpted from Compton’s Interactive Encyclopedia Deluxe Copyright © 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

John Adams:

  •  “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there  were no religion in it.”
  • “The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.  Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.” 
  • “As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.  But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”  -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816 
  • “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved– the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”   -letter to Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Paine

  • “Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”
  • “Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”

  • “What is it the New Testament teaches us?  To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.”
  • “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
  • “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church,  nor by any Church that I know of.  My own mind is my own Church.  Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.” 
  • “The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion.”

James Madison:

  •  “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”  -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774 

Thomas Jefferson:

  •  “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched.  Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion.  Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.  – letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
  • “They [preachers] dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.” 
  • “I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature.  They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.” 
  • “We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication.”
  • “No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever.” -Virginia Act for Religious Freedom 
  • “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law.” -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814
  • “The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words.  And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” – to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823 

(And that was just a small selection of quotes)

Now, lets watch Mr. Magic Underwear Glenn Beck rip them a new one:

 

 

This is incredible, old Mormon doctrine cartoons:

By the way, millions of grown men and women actually believe this 19th century fairy tale

A Christian who recognizes reality January 11, 2009

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James Evans is the pastor of First Baptist Church in Auburn, and writes a weekly column for the Montgomery Advertiser. He is more open minded than the typical pastor, and gets a lot of criticism from local readers. It is refreshing to hear a Baptist preacher admit the reality of a given situation or issue even if it conflicts with his beliefs.

This week his column is titled “The Founders Got it Right,” and he mentions the fact that our country was not founded as a Christian nation. Although, I completely disagree with all of his metaphysical beliefs, of course, if more Christians were like Evans our country would be much better off.

Here is Thomas Jefferson on Christianity:

“It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests.” — Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1803

Creeds have been the bane of the Christian church … made of Christendom a slaughter-house.” — Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822

Last but not least:

And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” — Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823

 

James Evans: The Founders Got it Right

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090111/OPINION0101/901100328/1006/OPINION

“For many Christians there exists a prevailing mythology that America was established as a Christian nation. They envision the founders sitting around trying to put the language of Scripture into the framework of the Constitution. But the myth, while powerful and certainly durable in the imaginations of many believers, is just that — imaginary.”